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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://katwilder.com/2010/02/first-date-third-date-%e2%80%94-does-it-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I just want to &quot;get off&quot; I make a date with my B.O.B .... and you know, Kat all the benefits THAT friend can give!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I just want to &#8220;get off&#8221; I make a date with my B.O.B &#8230;. and you know, Kat all the benefits THAT friend can give!</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Wilder</title>
		<link>http://katwilder.com/2010/02/first-date-third-date-%e2%80%94-does-it-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole — foreplay is lovely, and if you want to go past the first date, essential. But, what if you just wanna get off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole — foreplay is lovely, and if you want to go past the first date, essential. But, what if you just wanna get off?</p>
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		<title>By: YouShouldKnow.ca &#187; Midlife Sex, Dating, and Transitions: What Are Women Saying?</title>
		<link>http://katwilder.com/2010/02/first-date-third-date-%e2%80%94-does-it-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>YouShouldKnow.ca &#187; Midlife Sex, Dating, and Transitions: What Are Women Saying?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a new relationship, and are trying to figure out when you might have sex, check out Kat Wilder’s Let’s Get it On, But When? Kat Wilder’s a middle aged divorced mom who&#160;blogs on dating, friends, parenting, etc. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a new relationship, and are trying to figure out when you might have sex, check out Kat Wilder’s Let’s Get it On, But When? Kat Wilder’s a middle aged divorced mom who&nbsp;blogs on dating, friends, parenting, etc. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First date sex?  Well I would pretty much go along with Dadshouse&#039;s point of view.  My feeling is that if the door was opened on the first date most men would gladly cross the threshold.
I prefer all the stuff that usually precedes the sex; flirting, innuendos, naughty texting, phone sex, suggestive photos.  I love the anticipation, the build up, new age courtship!
I feel all the &quot;heavy petting&quot;, so to speak, makes the sex all the better.
Besides, it gives you some time to see if there&#039;s really a connection and if the foreplay is no fun .... why play at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First date sex?  Well I would pretty much go along with Dadshouse&#8217;s point of view.  My feeling is that if the door was opened on the first date most men would gladly cross the threshold.<br />
I prefer all the stuff that usually precedes the sex; flirting, innuendos, naughty texting, phone sex, suggestive photos.  I love the anticipation, the build up, new age courtship!<br />
I feel all the &#8220;heavy petting&#8221;, so to speak, makes the sex all the better.<br />
Besides, it gives you some time to see if there&#8217;s really a connection and if the foreplay is no fun &#8230;. why play at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clip;

I have drop dead gorgeous female friends in California who are considered frumpy when they are carrying an extra 5 lbs or become ten minutes older than 28.

I&#039;ve noticed that in high income areas the human tendency to reduce men to providers and to reduce women to sex objects accelerates a bit.

It sucks for everyone.</description>
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<p>I have drop dead gorgeous female friends in California who are considered frumpy when they are carrying an extra 5 lbs or become ten minutes older than 28.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that in high income areas the human tendency to reduce men to providers and to reduce women to sex objects accelerates a bit.</p>
<p>It sucks for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dads — OK, so if the women &quot;dictates&quot; that the &quot;sex will happen&quot; on Date No. 1, is that OK?

Steve — Oh dear, as much as I want to agree  that past a certain age women don&#039;t &#039;have the same head trips and concerns about sex,&quot; I will have to disagree. They (well, many of them) do. Trust me. We just can&#039;t get past the way things have changed since when we were in our 20s.

Eric — Yes, well, welcome to a woman&#039;s world. It can be so confusing that, yes, we are repulsed if a man tries to be all playa on us, yet feel &quot;insulted&quot; if a guy doesn&#039;t at least try; &lt;i&gt; doesn&#039;t he know how hot I am? &lt;/i&gt; I feel sorry for men sometimes ...

Jim — I agree; fifth date and no desire to exchange bodily fluids and it can&#039;t possibly be good. But, when you say &quot;any woman who expressed interest in first date sex with me would be setting off a serious red flag,&quot; does that mean she&#039;d be sending off red flags if you &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; felt that way, or only if she was making the moves? 

Clip — Hmm, methinks you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Any time someone speaks in absolutes — &quot;always, &quot;never,&quot; etc. — that&#039;s a big red flag for me. Maybe you&#039;re just trying to hit up the wrong women. Could that be?

Jenni — I never think anyone should sleep with someone else if it&#039;s not feeling OK. However, saying something like &quot;if we sleep together on the first date, then he got what he wanted&quot; makes me wonder — could it be that the woman &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; got what she wanted? Why are men the heavy here?

Mark — That was rather progressive of you; every boy I knew in high school at least &lt;i&gt;tried. &lt;/i&gt; Can&#039;t tell you how many times I heard, &quot;You would if you loved me.&quot; Ah yes, guilt always works ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dads — OK, so if the women &#8220;dictates&#8221; that the &#8220;sex will happen&#8221; on Date No. 1, is that OK?</p>
<p>Steve — Oh dear, as much as I want to agree  that past a certain age women don&#8217;t &#8216;have the same head trips and concerns about sex,&#8221; I will have to disagree. They (well, many of them) do. Trust me. We just can&#8217;t get past the way things have changed since when we were in our 20s.</p>
<p>Eric — Yes, well, welcome to a woman&#8217;s world. It can be so confusing that, yes, we are repulsed if a man tries to be all playa on us, yet feel &#8220;insulted&#8221; if a guy doesn&#8217;t at least try; <i> doesn&#8217;t he know how hot I am? </i> I feel sorry for men sometimes &#8230;</p>
<p>Jim — I agree; fifth date and no desire to exchange bodily fluids and it can&#8217;t possibly be good. But, when you say &#8220;any woman who expressed interest in first date sex with me would be setting off a serious red flag,&#8221; does that mean she&#8217;d be sending off red flags if you <i>both</i> felt that way, or only if she was making the moves? </p>
<p>Clip — Hmm, methinks you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Any time someone speaks in absolutes — &#8220;always, &#8220;never,&#8221; etc. — that&#8217;s a big red flag for me. Maybe you&#8217;re just trying to hit up the wrong women. Could that be?</p>
<p>Jenni — I never think anyone should sleep with someone else if it&#8217;s not feeling OK. However, saying something like &#8220;if we sleep together on the first date, then he got what he wanted&#8221; makes me wonder — could it be that the woman <i>also</i> got what she wanted? Why are men the heavy here?</p>
<p>Mark — That was rather progressive of you; every boy I knew in high school at least <i>tried. </i> Can&#8217;t tell you how many times I heard, &#8220;You would if you loved me.&#8221; Ah yes, guilt always works &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dads — OK, so if the women &quot;dictates&quot; that the &quot;sex will happen&quot; on Date No. 1, is that OK?

Steve — Oh dear, as much as I want to agree  that past a certain age women don&#039;t &#039;have the same head trips and concerns about sex,&quot; I will have to disagree. They (well, many of them) do. Trust me. We just can&#039;t get past the way things have changed since when we were in our 20s.

Eric — Yes, well, welcome to a woman&#039;s world. It can be so confusing that, yes, we are repulsed if a man tries to be all playa on us, yet feel &quot;insulted&quot; if a guy doesn&#039;t at least try; &lt;i&gt; doesn&#039;t he know how hot I am? &lt;/i&gt; I feel sorry for men sometimes ...

Jim — I agree; fifth date and no desire to exchange bodily fluids and it can&#039;t possibly be good. But, when you say &quot;any woman who expressed interest in first date sex with me would be setting off a serious red flag,&quot; does that mean she&#039;d be sending off red flags if you &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; felt that way, or only if she was making the moves? 

Clip — Hmm, methinks you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Any time someone speaks in absolutes — &quot;always, &quot;never,&quot; etc. — that&#039;s a big red flag for me. Maybe you&#039;re just trying to hit up the wrong women. Could that be?

Jenni — I never think anyone should sleep with someone else if it&#039;s not feeling OK. However, saying something like &quot;if we sleep together on the first date, then he got what he wanted&quot; makes me wonder — could it be that the woman &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; got what she wanted? Why are men the heavy here?

Mark — That was rather progressive of you; every boy I knew in high school at least &lt;i&gt;tried. &lt;/i&gt; Can&#039;t tell you how many time si heard, &quot;You would if you loved me.&quot; Ah yes, guilt always works ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dads — OK, so if the women &#8220;dictates&#8221; that the &#8220;sex will happen&#8221; on Date No. 1, is that OK?</p>
<p>Steve — Oh dear, as much as I want to agree  that past a certain age women don&#8217;t &#8216;have the same head trips and concerns about sex,&#8221; I will have to disagree. They (well, many of them) do. Trust me. We just can&#8217;t get past the way things have changed since when we were in our 20s.</p>
<p>Eric — Yes, well, welcome to a woman&#8217;s world. It can be so confusing that, yes, we are repulsed if a man tries to be all playa on us, yet feel &#8220;insulted&#8221; if a guy doesn&#8217;t at least try; <i> doesn&#8217;t he know how hot I am? </i> I feel sorry for men sometimes &#8230;</p>
<p>Jim — I agree; fifth date and no desire to exchange bodily fluids and it can&#8217;t possibly be good. But, when you say &#8220;any woman who expressed interest in first date sex with me would be setting off a serious red flag,&#8221; does that mean she&#8217;d be sending off red flags if you <i>both</i> felt that way, or only if she was making the moves? </p>
<p>Clip — Hmm, methinks you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Any time someone speaks in absolutes — &#8220;always, &#8220;never,&#8221; etc. — that&#8217;s a big red flag for me. Maybe you&#8217;re just trying to hit up the wrong women. Could that be?</p>
<p>Jenni — I never think anyone should sleep with someone else if it&#8217;s not feeling OK. However, saying something like &#8220;if we sleep together on the first date, then he got what he wanted&#8221; makes me wonder — could it be that the woman <i>also</i> got what she wanted? Why are men the heavy here?</p>
<p>Mark — That was rather progressive of you; every boy I knew in high school at least <i>tried. </i> Can&#8217;t tell you how many time si heard, &#8220;You would if you loved me.&#8221; Ah yes, guilt always works &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember in college that I didn&#039;t force the issue of sex onto my then girlfriend until I thought we were both ready. My male friends made fun of me for being way too prudish. I still feel the same way about sex. First date, second date, third date. Doesn&#039;t matter. You both will know when or it won&#039;t seem right. BTW, third date rule is so 1965!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember in college that I didn&#8217;t force the issue of sex onto my then girlfriend until I thought we were both ready. My male friends made fun of me for being way too prudish. I still feel the same way about sex. First date, second date, third date. Doesn&#8217;t matter. You both will know when or it won&#8217;t seem right. BTW, third date rule is so 1965!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t do the first date sex. My thing is, if we sleep together on the first date, then he got what he wanted - and he may decide he really doesn&#039;t need to call again [and that just makes a chic feel like a piece of crap in general]. And for me, sex is an emotional thing - if I&#039;m sleeping with you, it&#039;s because I see that maybe one day there could be a future. 

Usually on the second or third date is when I&#039;ll let it happen.
.-= Jenni´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://msjennixo-singlemom.blogspot.com/2010/01/letting-old-flame-die.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Letting the &#039;Old Flame&#039; Die&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t do the first date sex. My thing is, if we sleep together on the first date, then he got what he wanted &#8211; and he may decide he really doesn&#8217;t need to call again [and that just makes a chic feel like a piece of crap in general]. And for me, sex is an emotional thing &#8211; if I&#8217;m sleeping with you, it&#8217;s because I see that maybe one day there could be a future. </p>
<p>Usually on the second or third date is when I&#8217;ll let it happen.<br />
.-= Jenni´s last blog ..<a href="http://msjennixo-singlemom.blogspot.com/2010/01/letting-old-flame-die.html" rel="nofollow">Letting the &#8216;Old Flame&#8217; Die</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Clip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All women from Marin have one &#039;MUST&#039; before 
they&#039;d ever have sex with a man.  That is MUST HAVE LOTS OF MONEY, or a trust fund, family money, property, ect.</description>
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they&#8217;d ever have sex with a man.  That is MUST HAVE LOTS OF MONEY, or a trust fund, family money, property, ect.</p>
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